The fact is that skins of an equivalent quality in cowhide would wind up in the garbage-bin. It was still functional, just ugly. I am not necessarily looking at a leather that will … Horse hide is also less porous than cowhide, so dyed horse leather tends to … The hides also have more natural wrinkles and striations due to the ruggedness of the animal. Give me your take. This is great leather, though it's a little funky to work with due to the shape. It integrates a moisture barrier… I live in Florida, so I know heat and humidity. The fronts have traditionally been used for jackets because they are tough and thin, making them great for the application. Since cowhide leather typically has a more open grain, it will absorb moisture faster than horsehide leather. Our lambskin is substantial. Horsehide Leather vs Cowhide Leather Holster. The shell has no grain, the strip in the center has very pronounced and coarse grain, and the two steerhide examples have very fine, but still very pronounced grain. Horsehide is a luxury leather often hailed as the all-rounder for its durability and handsome aesthetic. Cowhide vs Horsehide. Does being smooth side out really help keep less moisture from getting onto the gun? Bulls are made into steers for ranching. He swapped it for a cowhide and was perfectly happy. The Reckoning Holster is shown (from left to right) in Founder's Series, Black Cowhide, and Horsehide leather. The dressing and type of latigo will make the draw vary but it has a similar feel. Stunning Vegetable tanned Horsehide 577XX TruckerJacket with Troy Mills Blanket lining.... MORE >> 1940's Lettermans Jacket. Horsehide is just too stiff, IMO. Thread Tools. This would also be far more costly to make, which is probably why it isn’t being done. Learn how your comment data is processed. Dude, you need to stop by the shop while I’m there and let me demo a Covert for you. In 3 years of carrying with the horsehide Supertuck, I never had this much sweat on my pistol when drawing it from the holster. Strength Is buffalo leather stronger than cowhide leather? The strip and the shells are pure vegetable pit tannages, and the horsefront can be tanned either with or without chrome - note: horsefront a.k.a. Horsehide is much more elastic than cowhide and fits the foot like a soft glove similar to deerskin or elkskin but the toughness of horsehide gives it long life without the disadvantages associated with deer or elk. I’ve went on record on the podcast saying that I didn’t think there was really any difference between the two, and for the most part, there isn’t. These are all full grain products. I was secretly hoping you would chime in when I posted this. 20 Comments. I have several Kramer holsters in horsehide, and while the cowhide holsters are just fine, the horsehide does tend to last longer and resist the excess stretching or becomming too loose. TC125, Jun … So, if you don’t live in a hot climate, or you don’t care about getting your pistol sweaty, just go ahead and get the cowhide version. They will all work to maintain your edge. Put a good coat of even something as simple as mink oil paste, or better yet a good neastfoot oil/beeswax mixture (like crossbreed SHOULD have done) and you’ll notice a big difference. 30 0. Is horse uncomfortably stiff, as I read somewhere? TC125 New Member. Today's baseballs are made of cowhide. Any feedback on what y'all like as well as brands you use. It is one (of many) reasons we construct our IWB holsters smooth side out. Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. Even better than your horsehide would be two thin layers sewn top grain out on both sides. Horses are reared in smaller groups and receive a higher level of care compared to cows, so their skin is generally free of blemishes or damage which allows tanneries to produce a top quality leather that has a super-fine grain and smooth hand. LOL. More fibers mean more durability, strength, and flexibility. Cow and buffalo hides are similar in strength and elasticity; both are the strongest of easily obtainable animal hides, and do not stretch easily, which make them a good choice for upholstery, shoes, or bags. Horsehide usually does have more natural markings, scars, wrinkles, etc. Horsehide used for good holsters, belts and shoes is shell cordovan (mostly from the Horween tannery in Chicago), which is a sub-skin membrane from the hindquarters of the horse (ie, the horse's ass). CCW MLB made the change due to a shortage of horsehide. It's sharper and more frequent but you won't get the loose grain associated with low grade cowhides. Even within these classifications there are further categories. I’m trying to pick between a Mitch Rosen or a Greg Kramer holster. Strops come in a lot of different leather types' cowhide, horsehide, horse shell, kangaroo, bison, pigskin, etc. Horse tends to be a tougher hide, and sheens more easily giving it a glossy look, which some find unpleasant. I'm going to try to deliver info on what seems to be a major distinguishing factor for many people in terms of leather jackets - horsehide or cowhide? Not really. I would think if the moisture is making it through the leather, it would make it through either way. Editor/Head Honcho at Triangle Tactical. I’m currently getting a ton of traffic from somewhere on Facebook, mind if I ask where you found this post? Calf hides, as one might assume, are smaller and lighter in weight (less thick) when compared to steer or cowhide. Weird. front quarter horsehide (FQHH), double horsefront (DHF), and single horsefront (SHF). This results in it being more moisture resistant but i have also heard that its a cheaper leather and wont last as long as Cowhide.. The horsefront, the strip, and the shells. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. Looking to get some opinions and/or pros and cons for horsehide vs cowhide holsters. 49 Posts #4 • Jan 17, 2013. After a year or so it was so cracked I couldn't wear it with my suits. bark strip, russet horsehide strip, natural horsebutt strip, north of cordovan, and others) is thick relative to the front, and typically ranges from 4 - 10 oz, or 1.6 mm to 4 mm. It has more of a matte finish and will not usually be as shiny as cowhide. Lambskin is very supple but generally has less tear resistance than goatskin, cowhide, or horsehide. Do your recommended getting ordering your holster lined or not? I have NEVER had that kind of sweat on my sidearm. As it is though I’m not a huge fan of holsters with a single clip. Lightweight, meaning thin, cowhide, though, also makes beautiful jackets. Bison & Buffalo Leather vs Cow Leather Processing. Joined: Oct 16, 2014 Location: Western Suburbs of Illinois. The highnoon down under with straps is an excellent holster for me. I’m planning on getting a Vedder ComfortTuck Combat Cut for my P365, but I’m trying to see if the horsehide is worth the extra cost. Tried a CompTac CTAC and have used that very happily for three years since. Feb 28, 2010 #3. all leather holsters except for hybrids) and don’t do any proper finishing/burnishing to at least give some moisture resistance. I Live in a Very Humid area that gets hot during the Summer and I have never had a problem with my Supertuck Cowhide Holster I love it and recommend it to my students. I wound up buying two belts from him as a result. From a production and yield standpoint, cow/steerhide is always better. since cows live longer than their steer counterparts. Yeah, I don’t think it’s really a problem, just something to be aware of. Cowhide vs horsehide Discussion in 'Holsters and Cases' started by TC125, Jun 23, 2012. Earlier this week I spent several hours outdoors with temperatures in the mid 90’s, and for the first time I noticed the difference between the cowhide and horsehide: It’s only an issue if you get a certain set of criteria together, like using a completely unfinished/unburnished piece of leather flesh side to the body. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! As a verb cowhide is to flog with a cowhide. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. ONL baseball stamped 'Cowhide Baseball First Use 4-4-74 Cincinnati Vs. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. These hides tend to have more natural markings to them (healed scratches, bug bites, etc.) I have heard Horsehide is a denser and tighter grained flesh than cowhide. The bison is raised and lives differently. Print; Mar 21, 2015 #1 . Some people like heavy draw; some like medium draw; some like a fast, light draw. Lucas is a life long shooter and outdoorsman, avid concealed carrier and competitive shooter, and a lover of pork fat. If the construction is rough-side towards the body there is little you can do to correct that situation. The question that really inspired this post was essentially, does horsehide make the best jackets? The grain structure also means that horsehide tends to be more abrasion resistant than cowhide. One major difference between a cow/steerhide and a calfskin is the appearance of the grain, which tends to be finer on calf. Might as well trim it as you want. This is generally considered to be the best available hide, and there are many other possible grades other than those mentioned above (but for the what we're working on here this is plenty). In the closeup above, the difference in grain appearance is very noticeable. Awesome thanks! I have loved it for the few weeks I've had it! It will break-in and age rapidly, becoming softer as you wear it. _____ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Prima di tutto, essere armati. Joined Sep 7, 2006 Messages … TOF Well-Known Member . Nothing worse than a IWB holster that will not conform to your body. You may just get converted, LOL. For us, cow/steerhide is cut and tanned as "sides," and horsehide becomes three separate products. Buffalo hide grain is more distinct than cowhide leather grain, and gives a project a more earthy or rustic look. https://www.facebook.com/ActiveSelfProtection/posts/606032802837837?ref=notif¬if_t=notify_me. Tanned exclusively for CrossBreed Holsters, our Black Cowhide is a vegetable tanned, drum dyed, 10-12 ounce top grain leather. Cowhide vs Horsehide.....? The majority of what we run here is cowhide. Squeaked at first, but now that it's breaking in, it doesn't anymore. There are other differences as well. Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. - Cowhide - these hides are lighter in weight and have "looser" bellies (that is, a more spongy fiber structure that has more stretch). Crossbreed Supertuck Cowhide Vs Horsehide. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > Feb 9, 2007 #1. Jason and Chris specifically commented that they wanted to hear more about Aero and/or their horsehide jackets. Now vegetable tanned horsehide is extremely close-grained, dense and oily. It's difficult for an amateur to tell them apart until shown samples of each. This is illustrated (below right) where, using the same pressure during the blocking process, the protruding safety-catch on the metal block has pushed through and damaged … I had a Kramer horsehide dress belt once. Humidity sucks. - Heifer - this is a cow that hasn't produced any calves, thus the bellies of the hide tend to be heavier than on a cow that has had offspring. Any personal expiernce would be great.. I’ll send you an email. That is sweat. My horsehide Supertuck I trimmed down around the mag release so that wasn’t an issue. Premium Black Leather Cowhide. Horsehide is slicker and smoother than cowhide, both inside and out. The finish on cow tends to look a lot nicer. On a well waxed leather piece water will bead up and run off (for a while – LOL). - Bullhide - these tend to be larger and heavier hides, with heavily wrinkled shoulders. The answer is in the eye of the beholder. Traditionally, cowhide leather that is unfinished and not moisture sealed will have a tendency to absorb moisture such as sweat from the body when used for concealed carry in the waistband. When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. There are a number of distinctions you can make when purchasing bovine hides in their perishable state: - Steerhide - most of the cattle raised for foodstuffs are steers. Ever. Horsehide comes with a number of benefits over traditional cowhide leather. This gives it a "buttery" or soft surface feel, and makes it easy to damage. Horsehide is naturally a little less porous than cowhide since the grain is marginally tighter, however, much of the moisture resistance is due to the horsehide (like the bullhide we prefer to use) being a compressed leather with a semi-finish done to the “rough side”. The Horsehide tends to remain stiff over a longer period of time and hold it's form, even under sweat and humidity. How to Get Started in Competitive Shooting: North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit Renewal. If you don’t want to get your pistol sweaty, go horsehide. Unfortunately, humidity and constant moisture will permeate almost any leather if given sufficient time. It is used for everything from motorcycle gear, jackets, vests, gun holsters, saddles, and boots because of its durability, heavy weight, and strength. This thicker material is often smoother and less grainy than cowhide, and wears better over the course of time. The difference is the draw of the surface as you move your blade along the length of the strop. 1940's Letterman's Jacket - a post WW2 classic.... MORE >> "Aeromarine" Aeromarine - A 1920s Forerunner of the Type A-1... MORE >> "August" August - A 1930s Half Belted Jacket... MORE >> "Barnstormer" Double-breasted 4-pocket coat, four deep pockets, finest Alpaca … Messages: 11 Likes Received: 0. Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and usable area, which means yields are better. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 13 of 13 Posts ... A friend of mine who has both suggested I get the horsehide when I bought my Xdsc 9mm a month or so ago. than cowhide but this is part of its beauty and makes it unique. The flesh side of the hide Is far more permeable than the top grain side, and top grain side can be sealed with wax giving far more moisture resistance. This is also an appropriate time to explain the differences between the other types of hides that we process. Kept the gun tight to me but was very comfortable. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. 2.75 oz. CrossBreed Holsters come with a selection of backing material which includes Horsehied and Cowhide. Horse hide, though, is often more rigid than cowhide, making for a longer break-in. We also run some Bison, which would seem to behave like a cow/steerhide, but it's quite different. The Horsehide almost seem magnetic as was described to me by a user. The strip (a.k.a. Certain hides and certain tanning processes lend themselves well to certain end uses, with the type and formulation of the tannage often being the most significant factor. Works well enough that I can carry with an extended mag release and it never comes undone. Until 1974, baseballs were made of horsehide. Cowhide with strop dressing has a draw that feels a bit sticky almost as if the razor is being slowed by a coating (which is exactly what is happening) as does Latigo. Most of the time it is naturally darker so when dyed it will be darker than a cowhide item of the same color. Horsehide creases very differently from cowhide. As a general statement, chrome tannages do yield softer leathers, but retanning and drying methods can yield round, veg-like leathers. HNS lots must hit a predetermined average weight and include 5% or less branded hides. "Horsehide" is actually muscle tissue, and much smoother and more fine-grained than cowhide, which actually is skin and has visible follicle and sweat-gland markings. Location: Kansas. Looking for a good iwb holster to carry. Holsters that are skin side to the body (i.e. The tanning of cow hides, however, typically involves modern techniques involving chemicals, while a bison/buffalo hide is normally tanned using organic materials. Do they age in looks about the same? Thread Status: Not open for further replies. When I say cowhide, it almost always means steerhide for us, since we're typically buying the heaviest (thickest) hides that are available. Humidity sucks. Can I suggest checking-out the N82 Tactical Professional series. Treated to give it an “antique” appearance. Decided on my IWB.. Crossbread. Open invitation. Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and … Years ago when I purchased my first Crossbreed Supertuck holster, I had heard from many sources that the horsehide version was the best in hot climates because the horsehide wasn’t as absorbent as cowhide, and because of this it would keep sweat off of your pistol. Goatskin vs horsehide Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by MKL, Feb 9, 2007. Holsters & Belts. Yeah, I’ll have to do that. I read that Horsehide doesn’t need to be lined, it is smoother than cowhide. After some research, im noticing some materials being used. It's also thinner, but tougher so it will feel very different. I get the advantages of horse vs. cow and think horse would be the way to go, but what I want to know is if it is excessively stiff compared to cow. After wearing the horsehide Supertuck for 3+ years I never noticed it really repelling sweat, so when I won a free Crossbreed holster at a match, I just went ahead and ordered the cowhide version. Lucas Thread Tools. The bison hides themselves are much greasier (higher fat content) and tend to have pockets of light weight (thin) areas, especially over the natural hump of the animal's back. As nouns the difference between horsehide and cowhide is that horsehide is hide of a horse while cowhide is (countable) a hide of a cow. June 21, 2014 Messages: 316. Also, due to horse being a tougher hide, it also tends to squeak a lot when being worn, so if you want a quiet holster, stick with cow. If you really want to understand the differences, speak to someone who works with leather every day, all day, and really understands this sort of thing, like the owner at A Better Belt USA. Not paper-thin like the lambskin found on “fashion” leather jackets. highenuff89. Jun 23, 2012 #1 . Find information on Vintage Baseball collectibles, Tips on caring for your Valued Memorabilia collection Price Guide, Dates, and … Horsehide vs cowhide? Crossbreed doesn’t properly finish their edges anyway, just cut rivet and ship. A friend had a horsehide IWB holster and complained that it felt like a brick in his waistband. I’n not an expert by any means. Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by highenuff89, Mar 21, 2015. In a post a while back I asked if there were any topics that anyone wanted some more information on. Softness/stretchiness of most areas of horsehide is just as much a function of the whole process as the base tannage. I learned a lot speaking with him about materials when I was shopping for a good gun belt. The Crossbreed was more comfortable, but the mag issue is for me, obviously, a deal breaker. When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. Heavy Native Steers (HNS) and Butt Branded Steers (BBS) are the hides that we purchase, and these hides are sold and graded based on an average weight. I would only say that it makes a different jacket, just like it makes up into a different shoe when compared to other leather options. Horsehide is less able to take and hold a shape than cowhide but is more durable and less resistant to sweat, scratches and material breakdown. The primary difference between HNS and a BBS are the number of brands in the lot. I'll try and look up pictures when I get home. Horse leather also has a coarser grain than cowhide and many feel it has a brighter, more shiny appearance. If they made a holster with two belt attachments I’d probably try one. Surprised that didn’t show in my news feed. That is how we used to make our “old school” 3-way Paddle, worked great. Horsehide has a high level of natural water repellency which is only bolstered by the tanning process, and its tough composition makes it resistant to stretching or losing it… First posting on forums. I prefer cowhide for belts and IWB holsters. Cow leather and bison leather/buffalo leather are both made by skilled artisans in the traditions of centuries past. What would be the advantages of one or the other - horsehide or goatskin? Baseball's are made of cool stuff that you eat. The Horsehide I use at least seems to have a silky feel. Anyone ever heard of Theis holsters? Horsehide is naturally a little less porous than cowhide since the grain is marginally tighter, however, much of the moisture resistance is due to the horsehide (like the bullhide we prefer to use) being a compressed leather with a semi-finish done to the “rough side”. Cowhide is also much more readily available. 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